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there's a whole fleet of look on the

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast from the archives my name is

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andy and this is a new show where i'm

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going to dip in and reintroduce some of

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the older original shows to new

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listeners because so many more of you

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have come into the show in the last six

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months there are loads of really great

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interviews back at the start that you

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may not have heard yet the first one i

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think is really really important is a

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round table i done the first round table

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with members of uapx gary verys kevin

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day and patrick p j hughes like i say

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all part of uapx but also witnesses to

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the infamous 2004 nimitz princeton tic

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tac event you've heard the story a lot

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already and i get the gents to talk

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about was it the us testing new tech is

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there more for the story to give the

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nuclear attraction how the incident

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changed the conversation and also the

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west coast entity that tracked the tech

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tax that we didn't really hear much

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about and still haven't heard too much

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about to this day there's a lot more to

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it as well

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this is just part one if you've listened

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to it before and listen to it again

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great if not it's a new interview for

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you to listen to from a year ago and

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it'll be interesting for you to consider

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as well how the conversation has changed

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so much in what's almost been a year to

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the day since this one first aired

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thanks folks hope you enjoy but who we

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do have on the show with us today we

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have gary verges who you'll remember was

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the first ever guest on that ufo podcast

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which seems a lifetime ago now but it's

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just coming up four months now and he is

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the vice president of ux uapx we have

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kevin day who is the president of uapx

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and patrick hughes who is the director

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of information technology if i've got

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that all correct i'd like to say um

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welcome and good afternoon to all you

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gents gary first of all how are you

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doing good afternoon

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hey thanks for having me

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thank you for the opportunity to be here

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no thank all of you for your time as

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well so it's great to speak to you and

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for the listeners is start off with each

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of you introducing yourselves and a

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little bit about the role you played in

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the now infamous events of november 2004

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interesting things at once but i'm sure

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the main thing was your your

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activities on the nimitz carrier group

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discuss a few different things off the

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back of that how things have progressed

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and changed over the last you know

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decade and a half not to age anyone on

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here but it is now getting on 16 years

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some questions on you apx and a lot of

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bulk of the show as well um if we could

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start off gary yourself if you want just

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what your your kind of role was in the

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events of 2004

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all right uh well my name is gary

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i was an aegis computer technician at

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the time uh junior personnel i was the

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one that actually operated and

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maintained all the aegis weapon system

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all of the the

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mainframe computers that ran that system

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we took care of all those

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and of course uh it's it's the the story

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has been beaten to a

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crisp so we'll just sum it up into uh

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you know we tracked unknown aircraft for

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you know right around seven days back in

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pretty renowned since the united states

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government uh military has basically

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admitted that what we saw was real

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it certainly was uh thanks for that

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little summary um pj patrick hughes if

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you want to just introduce yourself as

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i've kind of done for you anyway and

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tell the lessons a little bit about you

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sounds good my name is patrick or pj um

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i answered just about anything um i was

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an avionics technician

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um way back when when all this happened

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and while i wasn't special like gary or

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kevin

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oh my my so-called claim to fame as some

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people call it is

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a couple us air force guys showed up on

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my ship knocked on my door with my uh

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executive officer

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and took a whole bunch of my classified

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stuff and left

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and uh i'm gonna go ahead and uh

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counteract the fact that he says he's

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not special it takes uh

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it it does take a unique person to be

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able to be able to that level of

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technician in the navy because there's a

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lot of education and a lot of schooling

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and not everybody makes it through that

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that type of school

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um so i mean we're not talking seals

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it's it's still pretty hardcore to go

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through a lot of that uh training

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yeah pj wasn't fixing seagulls for

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anyone who's interested in the

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technology that he was working with uh

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actually uh they were hypersonic

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i was i was just informed that on my own

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yeah my apologies and uh lastly but not

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least at kevin if you want to introduce

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yourself to the listeners too please

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yeah kevin day 2004 it was actually my

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last ship on the president was actually

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my last underway believe it or not when

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this happened

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um when i went down i had 18-year sea

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time sitting behind that spy 1 radar

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system on the agent this is my third

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aided ship

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i am a top gun graduate went through top

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gun in 1998

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and i was a anti-air warfare coordinator

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on the ship was basically just the guy

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that launches the missiles if we ever

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in a time of war or even for an exercise

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and i agree man these objects whatever

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the hell they were they acted as if they

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were alive like some super capable black

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birds is how i like to describe it

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they were sentient and they were aware

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and they

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were apparently pre-cognitive as well

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in directions in ways that just kind of

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seemed like they were reading the

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pilot's minds if you will it was very

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very very strange

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um encounter to say the least

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very very strange but obviously now very

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very famous and folks if you want to

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hear the detail behind the encounter

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there are now numerous documentaries

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number of shows uh there are the nimitz

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encounters on youtube where you can see

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kevin pj and gary all being interviewed

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gary's been interviewed on my own show

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in the very first episode

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the story is now infamous and obviously

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unidentified has been a massive smash

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hit now the second season finishes as

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we're recording this this evening and

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i've been lucky enough to see the final

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episode as well and it certainly does

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end on a bombshell uh last one minute

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if anyone else has seen it by now when

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this gets released um i won't spoil it

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for anyone who hasn't seen it

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um what i do want to get straight into

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talking about those speaking of

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bombshells patrick uh pj on twitter you

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recently dropped a bit of a bombshell

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and you added to the story and like gary

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had said before this has been beaten to

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a crisp and this is something that just

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doesn't seem to go away however

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you added to the story that uh a west

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coast land-based entity and you know

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what the warden's like on ufo but our

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people will jump on the slightest thing

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as as you find out um you said so a west

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battle group and if what they saw was

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released it would back up what you guys

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were saying all along

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so what is it that you guys have been

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saying all along pj what are they

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essentially

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all the tracks that that kevin saw all

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the maneuvers kevin saw all the stuff

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gary saw and all the stuff the hawk i

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saw there was an outside

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group

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and the only person who figured it out

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is gary although he only partially

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figured it out

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no that saw exactly what you're talking

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about that's just the only

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about that particular place

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i know gary knows so listen the word

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classified and non-classified is

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here

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what what can you talk about then

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regarding this just to elaborate on it

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but because pj opened up

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a bit of a thread on your on your

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twitter feed and people really wanted to

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know so so what can you talk about

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dancing around the

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i mean there's

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there's a whole bunch of stuff up and

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down the west coast from you know upper

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washington down to san diego all for

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various reasons various stuff various

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there just happened to be one spot that

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the hawkeyes worked with routinely

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um i'm sure gary

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whether or not he realized it has dealt

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with them before

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um

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but i happen to know one of the

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individuals there because they did work

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with our hawkeyes

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and i've talked to him on and off over

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the years

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and i had recently shared

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dave beatty's documentary with him

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just because i knew he was around and he

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was there

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and all of a sudden he's like

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hey i i know stuff about this

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and he starts telling me

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um

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we had a lengthy off the record

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conversation so i can't say everything

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he said

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um

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but but they saw all the same stuff

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their their systems and their senses

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were able to track the same stuff that

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the spy one did the same crazy maneuvers

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that kevin saw

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i didn't know

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you know all of it you know i don't know

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i don't know if they have recordings of

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it i don't know

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what was made of it

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but they saw it you know

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and they are completely separate from

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the battle group so it's not like they

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were seeing our information they were

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seeing

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anything we were sharing they were

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seeing it on their own gear

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and they were at a fair distance from

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where we were

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okay so in my mind and i'm not saying

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this is what it was but and i my uh

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knowledge of the west coast of america

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is very limited i just know they have

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one okay and an east coast so i'm

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imagining something like some kind of

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missile defense building or let's just

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say like a nasa office it's just

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tracking all sorts of things that they

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might be tracking and what you're saying

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is these guys have whatever systems that

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picked up the same contacts that you

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know gary picked up that kevin picked up

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and eventually kind of had a bit of a

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play with the the the carrier group over

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the course of you know a week is that

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right

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correct

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and then the uh the system that he was

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talking about that you know after world

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war ii and uh you know and us being

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surprised attacked that was kind of the

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freak the system that they went all up

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and down on the coast i'm talking i'm

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pretty i think he's talking about our

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missile defense system which then tracks

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pretty much

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uh fair distance out from all borders

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and all territories that we control

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um

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it would have it would have definitely

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have picked up the same things that we

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were plus i'm pretty sure a lot of those

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systems are now tied into the cec

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systems too so

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one thing that did come across and the

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questions that i'll get to later on was

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the the military language that some of

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the people have been using i i can only

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pretend to understand philly the

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questions that you guys

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will get to later on as well but

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something that was kind of jumped on uh

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was that you had to state pj that the

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entity had no control or association

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with the object because one of the

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things and i'll address this i think to

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kevin um given how much you saw and you

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talked about the way these objects

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behaved a lot of people now are starting

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to wonder especially with some of the

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recent journalists and investigative

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journalists online

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how are these objects actually man-made

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and there are people coming out saying

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this was potentially air force that were

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covering this up this has been something

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that the the us government themselves

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have basically

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put out there

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to

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um you know i have a lot of trouble

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believing this was us because

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i for one was psychologically affected

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by this as it turns out i didn't know it

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at the time and i um have since been

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diagnosed with ptsd and they thought it

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was from an earlier

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event that happened in my life when on

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my first deployment on the vincennes

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when we shot down an air raiding

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airliner by mistake

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um

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but i think it was more related to this

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so if it turns out that this was us

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testing us

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and it had this type of effect on some

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of us um

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there might be hell to pay

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you know i'm not going to be happy if

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that's

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um turns out to be the truth tell you

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this profoundly affected my life i

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wouldn't be honestly i wouldn't be

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surprised if it was

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uh you know

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something of ours but then again in the

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same respect

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what the only thing that really troubles

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me with it being like

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ours it would really mean that they're

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capable of keeping the type of secrets

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that we all hope that they can't

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because like the level of technology

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that was involved with these crafts was

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you know

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i couldn't even tell you how many years

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ahead because it's it's too many i i

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don't understand how

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that kind of technology could be held

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secret

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for this long because it would have if

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it

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these things for 60 years so

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probably more than that i mean if you

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want to talk you know engineering and

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anything like that i mean

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they they they cite about a billion and

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one other references throughout all of

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our human history where we've been

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seeing stuff in the sky so

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you know i i don't prescribe to the

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little green man theory

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as of yet because i haven't seen one but

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i don't say that uh you know i think

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that

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this is not a win-win situation for even

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our company because i mean i've even sat

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down with our guys our our board of

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directors and said look you know uh

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you know we've got a serious thoughts

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about doing this research because

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there's some there's some avenues that

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and some some things that

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you know we really have to think about

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because a

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no matter what it is we're going to run

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into the government at a certain point

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because

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if it is government technology we're

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going to run into the government because

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we're going to have proof of it

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if it's not then we're going to run into

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the government because we have proof of

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it

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so no matter what we're running into the

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government and so either our government

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is the most shady pieces of crap that

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can that can uh

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hide this level of technology for this

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meant this amount of time

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or they're not and either way it's scary

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as hell because one way we we're we're

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all not in control and any other way

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guess what we're not in control still

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so we all just kind of live this

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beautiful illusion of freedom at this

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point

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yeah it's kind of scary [\h__\h] it's both

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very good points and kevin you touch on

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something that i've had a few chats

483
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recently with with guests about and ryan

484
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ryan

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has just released a book that touches on

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the human element of alien or et

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experiences and uap experiences and like

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you say that that's huge and not even to

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go down the road you know claims it

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could go on against the us government

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from you know its own armed forces and

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people and a variety of different areas

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but like you say as well gary that if

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this turns out this is our technology

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just as in humankind then it's such a

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leap that there are so many more

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questions of okay so where's it came

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from as it back engineered from

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something else have we just one day

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broken the laws of physics and uncovered

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all this great new stuff why haven't we

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been using it you know

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it just does so many different avenues

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to go down

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however

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a show that you're all very aware of and

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i grew up to the stars academy uh chris

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mellon

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loyalized tom de long uh help it off and

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the guys they

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they very much even still in their

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second season where pg you've been a

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regular contributor

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they are very much adamant and they keep

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going back to

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this isn't russian this isn't chinese

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this more than likely isn't ours they

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seem very

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confident with that and so like pj to

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you given your experiences unidentified

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how how confident are you again having

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worked with the guys on an identified

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that this as or isn't us technology

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i mean the only person i really talked

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to from from that whole group is louis

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alvando

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and we had a much longer conversation

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than

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you know was actually shown on the on

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the series

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and

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we never really got into

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is it ours it is it theirs

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he cleared up a whole bunch of

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questions i had about

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what happened to my stuff after he took

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it where when what it was used for um

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he's the person i like actually

539
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learned all that information from um

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but

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i got the feeling from him that all he

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wants to do is know what it is

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i don't think he cares one way or the

544
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other he just wants to know what it is

545
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just like the rest of us

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and again to not spoil it because i'm

547
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more than likely going to release this

548
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just before the the finale of

549
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unidentified this evening

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they they wrap up with a very it's quite

551
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a moving summary and i don't know if any

552
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of you have seen the final episode yet

553
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they wrap up with a very moving summary

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of

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they're quite clear in what they think

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this is without saying it and again the

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line is used this is not ours this is

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not russian this is not chinese and

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something louis elizondo has said in the

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00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:22,880
past is talking about human kinds and

561
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,000
mankind's plural that it's not just us

562
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,080
on this planet and again that's

563
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:30,080
something he finishes the series with

564
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:31,760
and it gets a little bit emotional about

565
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:33,360
it and again that comes across the

566
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,799
aspect of

567
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:36,480
if there's if there's more than others

568
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:37,840
on this planet

569
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:39,840
then it opens up a whole new you know a

570
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,240
whole new ballgame it changes humanity

571
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:44,400
uh and again those are all questions

572
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,840
that are for

573
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:47,760
hypotheses and down the line and a lot

574
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:50,000
of different conversations what i'd like

575
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:51,679
to ask though for you guys so to the

576
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:53,679
stars academy it's really been the key

577
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:55,679
in unlocking the door which so many are

578
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,440
now walking through including people

579
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:59,440
like yourselves that are now following

580
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:01,360
in your footsteps do you think there's

581
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:04,320
more to come from this incident itself

582
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:06,320
so even just the other day pj you've

583
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:08,000
obviously dropped that bombshell on

584
00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:09,919
twitter and it's it's added a new

585
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:11,919
element to the conversation

586
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:13,200
however

587
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,559
as there are much more to get out of

588
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:16,320
this or are we now kind of flogging a

589
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,510
no way we we

590
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:23,600
have our group has been vindicated over

591
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:25,039
and over and over again i think it's

592
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:27,919
still going to keep happening

593
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:30,799
um every agency that comes out um pretty

594
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:34,960
much backs up everything we've all said

595
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:37,760
and uh i my gut instinct is that this

596
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:39,919
was not our stuff

597
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:41,919
and um

598
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,720
that didn't that that in itself

599
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:46,320
asks a lot of you know it brings up a

600
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:48,000
lot of uh real

601
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:50,080
real important questions

602
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:53,840
if it wasn't ours who the hell was it

603
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,039
was it even from earth you know

604
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,760
is i think this story has legs and it's

605
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:01,440
going to just it's just going to keep

606
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:03,840
delivering i really do

607
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:06,080
i know as far as

608
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:07,520
for me

609
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:11,120
i think our events basically

610
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:12,960
just the straw that broke the camel's

611
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:15,840
back it's it's the the catalyst uh you

612
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:18,159
know they'll look back and and take a

613
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:19,360
look at you know

614
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,840
how this all started and it'll be the

615
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,120
you know that

616
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:25,440
new york times article about our event

617
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:27,840
and then all of us coming out and

618
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:30,240
you know and then fravor coming out and

619
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:32,960
saying his piece and then the you know

620
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:34,400
just recently

621
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:36,320
um the pilot that actually recorded the

622
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:38,559
video itself came out to clear a lot of

623
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:40,799
things up too so i mean

624
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,400
it's just going to keep happening

625
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,400
because there was you know i think we

626
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,400
had like i think 500 and something

627
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:48,960
people on my ship and 7 000 people on

628
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:51,600
the carrier that's a lot of people and

629
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,760
that's a lot of people that

630
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:55,679
knew about it i mean even if they didn't

631
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:58,480
directly have it anything to do with it

632
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:01,280
or this any systems that interacted with

633
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:03,440
it you know

634
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:05,760
those communities they

635
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,400
they know we all know and i mean it's

636
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:10,559
just like with uh you know with kevin

637
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:13,039
kevin's been definitely affected by this

638
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,919
you know tremendously um we all have in

639
00:23:20,830 --> 00:23:17,919
in one way or another and you know for

640
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:20,840
me it's just been

641
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:28,230
mind mind-boggling to know that this is

642
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:29,280
finally

643
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:30,720
coming to light because i honestly never

644
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:32,000
thought it would

645
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:33,200
um

646
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:35,440
i remember when i first came out about

647
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,400
it i

648
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,640
you know i i did a lot of phone calls to

649
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:40,559
a lot of important people to make sure

650
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:42,799
that it's all right that i said anything

651
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,559
about it because i really didn't want to

652
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:46,880
knock on the door you know and

653
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:49,360
so i i got a lot of my old buddies that

654
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,799
you know

655
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,240
they didn't go into cable when they got

656
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,240
out they they stayed in the

657
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,400
you know the circles and you know got

658
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:59,039
the high-level government jobs and

659
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,200
you know so they they uh they let me you

660
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:03,520
know i said all right you know i got the

661
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:06,080
least to lose out of everybody so

662
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:08,720
let's let's do it

663
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:11,360
god bless you gary before he's

664
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,799
you've all played an incredible part in

665
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,640
this and telling those stories and being

666
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,240
the first people to do it has been

667
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,240
amazing and like i said there are now so

668
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,880
many more following in your footsteps so

669
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:22,559
no doubt in in the last three years

670
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:23,919
we've seen an incredible amount of

671
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:26,320
progress and for those of our keen

672
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,159
interest in neurology like myself you

673
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:30,080
know people who initially just were

674
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:31,840
interested in other aliens coming from

675
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:33,760
other planets and spaceships the

676
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:36,240
conversation in three years has changed

677
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:38,400
incredibly and just the understanding

678
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:39,840
people have as well there's a lot of

679
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:41,840
vindication for people like yourself as

680
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:42,720
well

681
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:45,200
and military you know commercial pilots

682
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:46,799
police officers and just the general

683
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:49,279
public that report and see you aps that

684
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,440
you know what they're not crazy well not

685
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:53,200
all of them and you know some of these

686
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:56,240
satans are as incredible as they sound

687
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:58,159
if this same incident that happened to

688
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,440
you in 2004 was repeated again tomorrow

689
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:03,360
and we hear that up until you know

690
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,799
recently and you guys might even know

691
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,960
more recent than me that these events

692
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,400
are still happening

693
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,240
how do you feel the conversation would

694
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,559
change from that military perspective i

695
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,200
don't know who wants to come in on that

696
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,919
i think if i was you know an aegis

697
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:19,600
computer technician or actually they're

698
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:21,200
they're not there's no such thing as a

699
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:22,799
computer technician anymore they call

700
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,679
them q70 techs or whatever they are now

701
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:28,080
it's been so many years

702
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,840
but uh

703
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:31,679
i think at this point if it were to

704
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,000
happen to me again and i still had the

705
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,559
prior knowledge of the 2004 event

706
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:38,240
i think i would have a lot more

707
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,400
information on hand

708
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:43,360
when i got out

709
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:44,159
again

710
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:45,760
i think i think i'd have a nice little

711
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,830
i certainly would have kept copies

712
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:55,840
yeah especially today yeah i would have

713
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,760
kept better notes better copies i had my

714
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,279
log book of course but i just had real

715
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:01,200
brief notes like latin longs and times

716
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:02,400
and stuff like that and who i was

717
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:03,760
controlling

718
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:04,720
but i

719
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:06,080
would have definitely kept better notes

720
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,360
in fact when this

721
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:09,679
in 2009 after i retired

722
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,679
i tried to tell people about this and

723
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,919
even some of my closest associates would

724
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:16,080
look like you know what's wrong with

725
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,120
kevin you know

726
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,279
for sure that happened right so i wrote

727
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:21,039
i wrote the story and i published in the

728
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:23,120
library of congress just in case

729
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:25,120
this story ever did come to light that

730
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:25,919
um

731
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:27,840
it would be some sort of contemporaneous

732
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:30,400
proof that it really happened and that's

733
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,559
exactly what happened strangely enough

734
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:34,720
ironically with kevin doing that very

735
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:37,039
thing it's uh it's made me go back and

736
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,559
look at a lot of science fiction i've

737
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,240
read a little differently

738
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,640
it's like wait a minute

739
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:44,400
how did they get these intricate ideas

740
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,669
it's funny you mentioned have any of

741
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:51,840
your red chains of the sea because this

742
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,799
is a

743
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,400
a short story recently that's kind of

744
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,159
came to prominence with luella zondo

745
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:58,320
mentioning or or having read it and a

746
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,080
lot of people again have jumped on this

747
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,320
bandwagon have any of you read that but

748
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:04,559
our short story i have not i've actually

749
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,039
been getting knee deep into uh philip k

750
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:09,120
dick lately

751
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:10,880
say the name of the book again

752
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,039
it's chains of the sea it's a bit of a

753
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:15,039
short story

754
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:16,720
no i haven't read it no i'm sure i

755
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,520
haven't

756
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:19,200
um probably worth checking out it

757
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,520
wouldn't take you too long uh but again

758
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,840
people are getting on the idea that

759
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:25,919
a lot of the ideas that are now coming

760
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:27,520
to the front that you know we're not

761
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,440
alone on the planet these things may

762
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:31,760
have been here on different frequencies

763
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,039
different dimensions that we're starting

764
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:35,039
to see in various different books and

765
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:36,880
and pros like you mentioned gary some of

766
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:38,080
the things you're now reading it's like

767
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,200
oh wow

768
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:40,799
was this pure chance that people have

769
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,840
got this right or you know so accurate

770
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:46,080
so long ago or did they have any kind of

771
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:48,320
prior knowledge so that's something what

772
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:49,679
i'd like to know kevin if i could just

773
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,039
ask the question

774
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:53,679
on the idea of the military conversation

775
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:54,799
changing

776
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:57,600
if someone in your position now

777
00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:00,640
today the same sort of event happened do

778
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,080
you feel they would have a different

779
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:04,320
experience that than you had do you

780
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,600
think they're going to be able to come

781
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,440
forward with all the progress that's

782
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,510
i believe so yeah

783
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,360
i believe there's probably in fact

784
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:15,120
procedures in place now that didn't just

785
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,120
didn't exist when we were serving

786
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,760
and designed specifically to deal with

787
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:22,080
uh unknown aerial phenomenon

788
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:23,520
you know because um i got to tell you

789
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,559
andy um

790
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,559
the thing that concerned me greatly in

791
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:29,039
2009 2008 when i retired when no one

792
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:30,559
would listen to me

793
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,520
um

794
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:33,440
was what what would happen if this thing

795
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,760
happened off the coast of iran

796
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,200
when i really did have missiles on the

797
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,200
airplanes and on the ships

798
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,600
and somebody freaked out and overreacted

799
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,120
man this thing could cause a freaking

800
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,600
war you know that nobody wants

801
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,840
and i think because of that um safety of

802
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:49,919
flat issues i think there's probably

803
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:52,240
some pretty um

804
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:53,760
trained uh

805
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:55,600
written and trained procedures in place

806
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,520
now that just weren't there when we were

807
00:29:03,029 --> 00:28:59,840
serving in 2004

808
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:03,039
so and if it if it did happen i think um

809
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:04,399
it's all going to get recorded and

810
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,880
logged and spoken about at this point i

811
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:08,640
i truly do

812
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:11,520
um in my evidence

813
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:13,120
2015 i mean

814
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,960
those guys came out

815
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:16,960
you know between that was 11 years later

816
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,990
that's just my thoughts on it no no it's

817
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:23,679
good there's been a lot of talk as well

818
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:25,279
recently around

819
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:28,080
the the fact the carrier group had a

820
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,760
nuclear element to it

821
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:31,679
was some kind of attraction to these

822
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:32,799
objects

823
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:35,600
again unidentified had a whole episode

824
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,840
and i'll come to pj on that one uh

825
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,760
because you rolled your eyes so you must

826
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:41,360
have some kind of comment you want to

827
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:42,640
make and i've been more than happy to

828
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,480
hear it what are your thoughts on that

829
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:46,559
aspect of it is that putting two and two

830
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:49,120
together and getting five

831
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:51,760
i mean i just don't think

832
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:54,080
the amount of nuclear subs we have the

833
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:57,039
11 nuclear carriers we have

834
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,960
you know i i feel we would see a lot

835
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:01,120
more than

836
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,919
what we've seen if that were the case

837
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:05,360
i don't think it has anything to do with

838
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,720
nuclear power

839
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:10,159
and that's coming from a guy who slept

840
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,830
and it had no lfx whatsoever which is

841
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:19,760
always good to see

842
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:23,279
none that i know

843
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:24,480
so listen

844
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,960
what's next that uap task force has now

845
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,640
been signed off that's made its way

846
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,720
through the senate in the u.s

847
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,320
which is great and i'm learning more and

848
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:34,240
more about u.s politics as the whole

849
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,559
world is over the last few years and

850
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:38,000
we've all got our eyes on things you

851
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:39,440
know and but staying away from the

852
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:40,960
political side of it and just focusing

853
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,159
on the uap task force with that form and

854
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,159
gary i'll bring this to you what's your

855
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,320
opinions on the uap task force what's

856
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:50,159
that going to bring regarding the

857
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:52,960
conversation in the movement

858
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:55,200
uh realistically i think it's just a dog

859
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:57,519
and pony show i i don't think it's gonna

860
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,440
really do much other than maybe

861
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:01,039
distribute more information that they

862
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:02,640
actually want us to know

863
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:05,440
um when it comes down to it there's 100

864
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,120
there's over 100 other countries that

865
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,600
are starting up a space program 23 of

866
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:11,279
those countries are slated to go to the

867
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:13,760
moon with that many countries now

868
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:16,960
starting actual space programs

869
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:18,880
i think that that's probably more the

870
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,960
catalyst of uh

871
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:22,399
why they're needing to get more of this

872
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,399
information out faster

873
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:26,080
and i mean there could also be something

874
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:28,960
that we have no idea about and uh

875
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:31,039
the idea that there's another race of

876
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:33,440
beings living on our planet with us

877
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:35,840
is not very far-fetched i mean we've

878
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:37,600
already figured out there's water deep

879
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,039
below

880
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,600
that that giant borehole that russia

881
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:43,600
made we figured out through that that

882
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:45,919
there's literally an ocean underneath

883
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,640
the dam the damn crust which we never

884
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:49,919
knew was there

885
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,480
you know there literally could be

886
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:54,880
an entire civilization underneath our

887
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:57,120
crust we we've never been there we don't

888
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,519
know what's really actually there

889
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,960
so i mean they could have been here the

890
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:03,360
entire time we've been involving and

891
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,880
just like you know petted us on the head

892
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:06,559
oh that's a good monkey you're doing so

893
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:07,600
good

894
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,559
you know

895
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:10,640
i mean but when it comes down to it

896
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:13,440
people still have to realize that

897
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:15,919
they can't see us as equals if they were

898
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:18,559
already developed before we even started

899
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:19,279
to

900
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:21,760
even you know when we were beating each

901
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:23,519
other with rocks and eating meat raw

902
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,200
because we couldn't start a fire you

903
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,720
know

904
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:28,320
there's no way in hell they're gonna

905
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,679
treat us any like as equals so

906
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,760
keep that in mind

907
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:35,360
and i suppose when you say that that

908
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,799
makes me think a little bit about

909
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,399
someone like tom delong who i know he's

910
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,159
a divisive figure still and he makes a

911
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,399
lot of outrageous comments but he talks

912
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:44,000
about a disturbing aspect to the

913
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,120
phenomena

914
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:47,840
and is that something that you know

915
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:49,519
potentially

916
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:51,919
he's getting at um

917
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:54,320
gary i think with him being the owner of

918
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:57,120
that company uh you know and

919
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,159
the one view that i have about lou

920
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:02,559
is you know kind of some some to sum it

921
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,679
up is

922
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:05,200
that

923
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:06,480
he doesn't

924
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,559
want to know what it is he already knows

925
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,360
what it is and because of his

926
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,840
ties with his prior jobs just like all

927
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:14,960
of us

928
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:15,919
you know

929
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:17,600
i can't tell you

930
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:20,480
the exact range of spy one bravo radar

931
00:33:23,830 --> 00:33:22,480
but you know i can tell you what we

932
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:23,840
can't do

933
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:24,880
i can

934
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:26,960
you know lead you to the water but i

935
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:29,840
can't force you to drink it you know i

936
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:33,760
mean we all know for a fact that there's

937
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:34,720
craft

938
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:37,200
that enter our atmosphere that can do

939
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,440
mach 20 25 plus

940
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:41,519
that have no wings

941
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:44,480
that have no discernible engines

942
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:45,200
that

943
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:48,240
somehow can maneuver on a dime at any

944
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:51,279
angle speed or you know any vector at

945
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:54,240
all uh you know that

946
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,919
in itself

947
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:57,840
should be amazing enough that should be

948
00:34:01,669 --> 00:34:00,159
literally enough to say yeah let's let's

949
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,679
let's get some people on this uh you

950
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,760
know wow you know

951
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:05,360
and it's for as many people they

952
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,120
actually have

953
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:09,839
credible backgrounds uh that have

954
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,720
credibility that have seen these things

955
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:15,119
just the empirical evidence alone

956
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:16,399
should have already

957
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:19,359
lent to the scientific communities so

958
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:22,079
that denotes that there has been an

959
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:23,599
active

960
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:27,040
measure of trying to keep this all under

961
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:29,359
wraps uh you know there's no way in hell

962
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:30,720
you can tell me that the empirical

963
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,200
evidence that there is out there now is

964
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,599
not enough to base any type of science

965
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:37,359
on i mean

966
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,560
look at some of the

967
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,320
whacked out science that they've already

968
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:42,240
done that it's okay because it has

969
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:45,839
nothing to do with something that's big

970
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:47,440
can i just go right back to almost one

971
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,800
of your first comments you made on this

972
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,560
as well because at first it sounded

973
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:52,240
almost dismissive but you've made a

974
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:53,520
really great point off the back of it

975
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,079
regarding the uap task force that it's

976
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:57,839
about going to be potentially new if

977
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,599
you're a bit of a dog and pony show but

978
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,280
then you mentioned that we've got 23

979
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:02,800
other countries potentially planning on

980
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:04,240
going to the moon

981
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:06,320
do you mean the idea that they want to

982
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:08,079
control the narrative as in the us

983
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,680
government or the uap task force do

984
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:11,599
because these other countries are going

985
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:13,839
to go into space and then start to see

986
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,800
things

987
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:17,119
that we can't guarantee they keep under

988
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,069
uh what it means basically yeah

989
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,400
basically these all these countries

990
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:25,920
can't be guaranteed that they're going

991
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:26,960
to say

992
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,480
what the what our government wants them

993
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,240
to say or what the collective of

994
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:34,480
governments that can go

995
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:37,599
into space will say you know i mean

996
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:40,160
when it comes down to it if

997
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,520
they don't control the narrative they

998
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,280
got to make sure at least they're

999
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:45,359
controlling the storyline as it goes so

1000
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:47,599
if we already know about it hey no big

1001
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,079
deal that you know estonia decided that

1002
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,400
they put up a satellite and then saw

1003
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:54,079
literally something docked with it or

1004
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:55,440
something and then they

1005
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:56,560
said hey

1006
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,599
yeah so this happened

1007
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:01,359
all of a sudden we don't we don't we

1008
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,800
don't know what's up anymore and we're

1009
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:04,800
not the ones on top of things and

1010
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:14,069
i'll go ahead sorry i jumped on you

1011
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,069
yeah hey andy uh my

1012
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:18,000
my uh thoughts on the task force are

1013
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:19,200
this um

1014
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:21,119
and i'll i'll just make this my my

1015
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:22,640
public announcement to the members of

1016
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:24,160
the task force senator rubio and all

1017
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,200
those guys

1018
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:27,280
if you guys are serious about finding

1019
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,720
these things and understanding what it

1020
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,000
is then you might want to consider

1021
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:32,240
helping to fund our expeditions

1022
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:34,240
because we have a whole bunch of really

1023
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:35,599
smart people

1024
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,680
lined up to go on these ships with a

1025
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,440
really

1026
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,119
full lined up of new technologies and

1027
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,760
some of them are still under development

1028
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:45,520
and we're ready to go we're just we need

1029
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:46,960
funding we need a little bit of money

1030
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,880
and unfortunately it's not that much

1031
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,160
money that we need none of us are

1032
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:52,000
getting paid none of us ever hope to get

1033
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:53,599
paid doing this

1034
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:55,760
it's strictly for logistics all of our

1035
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:58,079
funding requirements and any

1036
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:59,760
any other requirements that we have it's

1037
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:01,599
not to you know we're not doing this to

1038
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,079
pay people

1039
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:06,160
and kevin listen it's a great timing

1040
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,079
because my next question is asking

1041
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,240
yourself to talk a little on uepx and

1042
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:13,119
its status now uapx my last conversation

1043
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:16,480
about it was with gary back in april

1044
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:19,119
april early may um and we talked about

1045
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:22,240
uapx starting up and obviously covin's

1046
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,400
been around and it's here we are four

1047
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:26,160
months later and it's still doing the

1048
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,160
rounds unfortunately regardless what

1049
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:30,480
people want to think about it uh where

1050
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,200
are you apx as a company at and what are

1051
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:34,960
the plans what's the kind of status of

1052
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:38,240
it go ahead gary uh build that and i'll

1053
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:40,640
fill in some some cracks and stuff

1054
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:43,200
no you don't mind all right so primary

1055
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:44,800
reason why i'm gonna be filling this in

1056
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:48,400
is because uh due to kevin having a lot

1057
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:49,839
of personal things going on with the

1058
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:52,160
fire and the uh uh you know their golf

1059
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:53,359
course and

1060
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:55,040
you know he's he's had to spend a lot of

1061
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,800
time in his personal life where i've

1062
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:58,640
kind of taken the reins up to take care

1063
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:00,480
of the day-to-day stuff

1064
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,280
um so currently we did a restructuring

1065
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:05,280
since the last time we talked

1066
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:08,880
uh we've uh kind of

1067
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:10,720
you know kind of had to streamline it

1068
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:13,280
due to budget restraints uh versus you

1069
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,079
know

1070
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:16,960
uh what what because like i said our

1071
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:19,280
whole priority is just for just to go

1072
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:20,720
out and do this research off the coast

1073
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:23,680
of san diego so i with that in mind i

1074
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,400
had to look at our staff and we had to

1075
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:28,480
look at the people that were involved

1076
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,520
with the company and you know say okay

1077
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:33,599
you know is this person

1078
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:36,400
really viable for this mission and it

1079
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:38,000
had nothing to do personally whether

1080
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,240
they were viable in any other capacity

1081
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:42,320
it was just i had to look at just our

1082
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:43,359
mission

1083
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:47,040
particular task we're probably going to

1084
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:49,119
have about enough money to get about 15

1085
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,960
people out on this boat

1086
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,800
and that's so that we can maximize the

1087
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:54,640
amount of money for our testing

1088
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:57,359
equipment uh for budget for things so

1089
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:59,119
that we can actually

1090
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:01,920
get the detailed information that we

1091
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:05,040
want to out there and i know last time i

1092
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,119
spoke about how you know we plan on

1093
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:09,440
getting ridiculous amounts of

1094
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,920
information and we do and there's a lot

1095
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:13,680
of groundwork that has to be laid to get

1096
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,280
that because we have to be able to set

1097
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,440
parameters so that we're not

1098
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,520
wasting a lot of time on information

1099
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,079
that's already been gathered by national

1100
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:24,880
organizations or other other or the

1101
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,520
other private entities that make their

1102
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:29,200
findings public

1103
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,640
um so

1104
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:32,640
we've been utilizing a lot of the time

1105
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:35,119
this go covet down time

1106
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,920
to do that restructuring and you know

1107
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:39,200
currently

1108
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:41,200
we're doing a lot of emailing back and

1109
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,079
forth and you know it's a very

1110
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:46,000
pish-posh kind of way of trying to get

1111
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:47,760
all this stuff done so

1112
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:50,560
uh right now i'm getting us on board

1113
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,119
with uh the google suite so that we can

1114
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,920
utilize a lot of that management and we

1115
00:40:03,030 --> 00:39:58,000
can start working on the same project at

1116
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,630
start to actually get more done without

1117
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,430
you know keep waiting for an email to

1118
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:13,839
come back or waiting for a response you

1119
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,520
know people can just go in and check on

1120
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,599
the project add what they have to add

1121
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,119
and then move on

1122
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:21,440
and once we get that done that's going

1123
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,319
to be a big mile marker for us because

1124
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:26,640
then that that brings our productivity

1125
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,640
to a ridiculous level

1126
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,960
and then i'm hoping by the end of the

1127
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:32,480
month to have

1128
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:35,200
our website complete with our patreon

1129
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:37,920
and with our uh with forums which people

1130
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,760
will be able to interact with us on on a

1131
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,520
more personal basis

1132
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:43,760
uh the four uh our patreons will have

1133
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:46,400
access to a patreon only forum which

1134
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,160
then they can they can actually get

1135
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,000
one-on-one with with

1136
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,480
practically anybody they want because

1137
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:54,800
uh you know all of us will be active on

1138
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,520
those forums uh talking back and forth

1139
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:59,520
you know it's a way for the public to

1140
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:01,119
interact with us and you know give us

1141
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:03,839
their ideas comments and you know you

1142
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,359
never know where the next great idea is

1143
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,119
going to come from so

1144
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:09,359
um then those forums are eventually

1145
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,880
going to roll into my uh my uh

1146
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,359
archives idea that uh we were tr i was

1147
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,680
trying to roll out a little earlier but

1148
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,280
once i had to do the start doing the

1149
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:21,839
day-to-day with uapx i kind of had to

1150
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:25,119
push that back uh but i still plan on

1151
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,000
doing that aspect of our company too but

1152
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,640
you know one project at a time

1153
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:32,319
got a little too ambitious for my own

1154
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,440
for my own good uh but uh right now

1155
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:37,680
we're uh we're working on getting uh

1156
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:40,160
grants through some through particular

1157
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:43,760
college uh we've written up a grant

1158
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,720
and a proposal and uh

1159
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:48,560
i can't really comment on any of who

1160
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,319
where or what and you know hopefully

1161
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,640
that goes through where uh we've uh

1162
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:54,880
already set up a paypal account so

1163
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,680
people can start to donate to the cause

1164
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:59,520
um hopefully by the end of the month

1165
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,119
we'll have some uh some t-shirts that

1166
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,880
people can buy saying you know

1167
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:04,800
everything from you know just our logo

1168
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,079
to you know i support the i support

1169
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,640
you know you apx type stuff

1170
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:12,240
at first it'll be kind of some simple

1171
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,839
logos but uh

1172
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,359
we'll eventually have some some more

1173
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,599
trendy stuff on there uh it's mostly

1174
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,200
just to try to get that store up and

1175
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,520
running uh get the infrastructure done

1176
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:23,200
and then we're gonna move from there

1177
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,839
um but i figured within the next

1178
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,000
three months tops we should have the

1179
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:30,240
complete infrastructure of uapx

1180
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:31,680
completely done

1181
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,960
um all everything up and running smooth

1182
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,720
like butter and uh

1183
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,359
from there basically by the end of this

1184
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,040
the end of this year i'm kind of hoping

1185
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,359
that we could basically go anytime we

1186
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,680
have enough money to actually go

1187
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:47,119
basically that's where i want to get us

1188
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,040
to the point where basically

1189
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:50,880
as soon as we get the money we're out

1190
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,960
the door

1191
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:55,040
and when you look at the uapx site at

1192
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,160
the moment it's got that mission

1193
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:58,000
statement on there and the thing that

1194
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:59,599
stands out to me is very much there's a

1195
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:00,880
correlation

1196
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:02,800
between that it talks about whale

1197
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:05,359
migrations and that mid november time of

1198
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:08,480
year and you do still hope to see

1199
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,280
that you can find uaps

1200
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:12,960
in a certain area at that time of year

1201
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,040
is that still the thinking

1202
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,680
well after we did a lot of research uh

1203
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,160
you know from you know historical data

1204
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:22,640
in that area looking at uh i don't think

1205
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:24,079
it really matters what time we go

1206
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:25,200
because

1207
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:27,040
there's been sightings year-round in

1208
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,160
that area it's a literal hot spot i mean

1209
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,240
it's people seeing them in the winter in

1210
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:34,560
the summer in the fall every month i

1211
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:38,160
think there's been at least one sighting

1212
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,119
every day of the year

1213
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:43,200
somewhere around that area in the

1214
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,200
catalinas or off the coast or down

1215
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:47,520
toward more closer to baja but that

1216
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:48,880
whole area

1217
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:50,480
every single day people are seeing

1218
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,760
things

1219
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:53,599
so that's been the case

1220
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,240
for years yeah for years now yeah and i

1221
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:58,079
mean we have at least 100 years of

1222
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,079
historical data for that area that that

1223
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,400
just denotes that i mean there's there's

1224
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,640
some people that have told me that they

1225
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:06,000
could bring you out every day of the

1226
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,680
week and show you something

1227
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:09,440
now granted what what kind of phenomenon

1228
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:10,560
they're actually going to come out to

1229
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,079
come out and show us

1230
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:14,560
you know i mean they could be

1231
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:17,280
i have no idea but

1232
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:19,040
we hope that

1233
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:20,960
we're going to get some some good data

1234
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:23,599
but worst case scenario we can do a

1235
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:26,240
thorough analyzation you know analyze

1236
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:27,359
this area

1237
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,200
so thoroughly that we are be able to

1238
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:32,880
know the differences between you know

1239
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,160
because this will be the first time that

1240
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,079
we go out

1241
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:38,000
and this is going to be a lifelong

1242
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:39,520
venture we're going to have to study

1243
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,440
this area over and over and over again

1244
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:43,440
so that we can compare

1245
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:45,920
original data to current data to you

1246
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,240
know and keep going on and then have a

1247
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:50,800
historical data of that area of you know

1248
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,280
temperatures migrations of animals what

1249
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:55,760
type of plant fauna plants and animals

1250
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,280
that live there

1251
00:45:02,550 --> 00:44:59,760
how many of them can affect frequent

1252
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:02,560
different frequencies

1253
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,240
what kind of radio stations are out

1254
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:06,640
there what kind of people are out there

1255
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:09,359
uh you know what kind of uh

1256
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:11,200
all the projects that are done in that

1257
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:12,160
area because there's a lot of

1258
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:13,440
government-ish

1259
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:15,200
government testing that goes out that

1260
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,800
way when i talk about when i say

1261
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:18,560
government testing i'm thinking radar

1262
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,680
systems sonar systems uh missile control

1263
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,520
systems you know things like that you

1264
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,440
know these are the benign stuff that

1265
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,599
none of us are interested in but they

1266
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:29,680
all use frequencies in some way shape or

1267
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:30,640
form

1268
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:33,200
they all use uh

1269
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,319
they all affect that area in some way

1270
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:38,079
and basically we don't want to we don't

1271
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:40,000
want to leave any stone unturned when we

1272
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,599
when we look at that when we look at

1273
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,160
that area we want to know uh how much

1274
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:46,400
radiation is you know if there's any

1275
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:48,960
radio radiation hot spots of any type of

1276
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,040
radiation whether it's you know

1277
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,440
gamma beta alpha you know all i mean

1278
00:45:57,630 --> 00:45:55,920
some of these radiations only last for

1279
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:57,640
you know they're they're very very

1280
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,720
insubstantial by themselves unless

1281
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,640
there's a source emitting them at the

1282
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,560
time you know so if we're getting big

1283
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:06,400
hot spots of these types of radiations

1284
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:08,319
well what the hell's causing it you know

1285
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:10,000
i mean these are all indications that

1286
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:11,599
we're going to be able to try hopefully

1287
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:13,119
track find and

1288
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,720
you know

1289
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:16,400
keep doing more research on it and then

1290
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:18,079
the best thing that could happen is we

1291
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:20,560
can actually catch them and find them

1292
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:21,200
and

1293
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,920
of data that we had in the service

1294
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:27,839
that would be absolutely amazing and

1295
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:29,680
that's the ultimate goal but it's just

1296
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,599
going to take time

1297
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:33,280
i'll make sure the links again are for

1298
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:34,560
the paypal as well because i'm really

1299
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:35,839
worth the cause and i look forward to

1300
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:37,280
getting some of those t-shirts and you

1301
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,400
can keep me among one of your first

1302
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,319
patreons as well i'll make sure i'm i'm

1303
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,720
signed up to that when the time comes um

1304
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,119
listen we'll take a shot no of course

1305
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:47,280
we'll take a short break um when we come

1306
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,079
back uh that is all for this week's show

1307
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,319
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1308
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,319
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1309
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00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,200
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00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,319
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00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,319
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1319
00:47:23,460 --> 00:47:20,400
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1320
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:23,470
up you never know what you might see

1321
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:50,590
i don't think he expected me

1322
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:13,240
[Music]

1323
00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:34,380
because that doesn't really scare me

1324
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:54,410
[Music]

1325
00:49:08,090 --> 00:49:03,030
consider your heart consider time

1326
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:21,260
[Music]

1327
00:49:42,070 --> 00:49:30,960
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

1328
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:51,670
[Music]

1329
00:50:02,700 --> 00:49:53,570
thanks

1330
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:17,750
[Music]

1331
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,700
thank you

1332
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:29,990
[Music]

1333
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,549
fixing a small wind farm to your roof is

1334
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:52,240
one change you could make to be more

1335
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,000
sustainable

1336
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:56,319
fixing a broken chair instead of buying

1337
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:58,400
a new one is another change you could

1338
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:01,280
make to be more sustainable once hard